Oct 10 2007

Flex Builder 3 Beta 2 forgets ColdFusion?

Posted by Joe Rinehart at 8:30 AM
12 comments - Categories: Flex and ColdFusion

I fired up Beta 2 of Flex Builder 3 last night. It starts with a nice new splash screen, but it has a glaring omission: the sample application is available in PHP, Java, and ASP.NET, but not Adobe's own Web application server, ColdFusion?

While it does add CFEclipse.org to the default update site and make the ColdFusion wizards easier to install, there's just no good reason I can see to omit ColdFusion from the sample app list. What's with that?

If anyone at Adobe wants to correct this, feel free to drop me a line at contact@firemoss.com. I'd be happy to port the app to ColdFusion.

Comments

Sam Farmer

Sam Farmer wrote on 10/10/07 12:04 PM

Stuff like this really annoys me. Hopefully now that Tim Buntel is the FlexBuilder manager stuff like this will not happen anymore.
Ben Forta

Ben Forta wrote on 10/10/07 12:36 PM

In annoys me too, big time! Had we not all been so heads down in MAX we'd have caught it (I personally did not get to install FB3B2 until it was too late). We are working on getting this fixed immediately. And yes, with Tim in his new role it'll be easier to keep an eye on stuff like this.

--- Ben
Jason

Jason wrote on 10/10/07 1:56 PM

And yet I've noticed the same with the Flex 2 whitepapaers from Adobe as well: extensive discussions of .NET and PHP hooks for building business tiers, and not a single mention of ColdFusion at any point. As Ben’s blog noted yesterday, ComputerWorld finally picked up a whiff of CF again after several years, while here we 10-year veterans are watching Adobe really struggle to find its own product in its sweetest spot: integration across all of its own product lines. Clearly, this should be one of Adobe’s strongest moments, bringing RIA (Flex and the Ajax hooks), RAD (ColdFusion), and off-the-desktop cross-over (PDF) together with seamless integration paths and a growing consistency of development as the Eclipse plug-ins continue to settle in and get better. ColdFusion is a beautifully powerful part of that story, and it seems that it’s simply not being told by Adobe in the marketplace.
Randy Nielsen

Randy Nielsen wrote on 10/10/07 2:46 PM

Here's the e-mail I sent to Joe. Sorry. I should have just posted it here:

Hi,
We’ll get it there. There’s a long story behind this, but for now, know that we’re working on it. With a little luck, I’ll update the start page today.

If you go into the Getting Started Experience, you will see CF information on http://learn.adobe.com/wiki/display/Flex/2b.+Code+Files and http://learn.adobe.com/wiki/display/Flex/Flex+and+ColdFusion

Also, if you go to http://learn.adobe.com/wiki/download/attachments/5701770/Flex3GSE_ExchangingData_CF.zip, you can download a Flex Builder project that includes CFM/CFC files that are equivalent to the PHP, ASP, and JSP examples. I’m still working with our webOps team to get them running on the samples server but you can run them locally by adjusting the paths

Feel free to let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks very much for the feedback,
Randy Nielsen
Flex and ColdFusion Documentation Manager
Adobe Systems Incorporated
Scott Stroz

Scott Stroz wrote on 10/10/07 3:08 PM

I just assumed that since it was so easy to use CF with Flex, and that CF developers are such quick learners, that it wasn't really necessary to add links on the Flex Builder Start Page.

I mean, we know PHP and ASP developers have issues, look what they develop on/with.
Sean Corfield

Sean Corfield wrote on 10/11/07 2:02 AM

Scott's comment is exactly what Matt Chotin said at the Flex bootcamp at MAX. He said the Flex team felt that CFers would not need the intro material but PHP and ASP.NET developers would be... There was definitely a sense from the audience that CF needs to be represented on that splash screen regardless.
Calvin

Calvin wrote on 10/11/07 5:01 AM

It really is a messaging issue more than anything else. Much like the Flex/Air ad running on an enterprise development site that touts J2EE/Java as the ideal solution for server side functionality for Flex/Air to point to.

Adobe needs to market ColdFusion as the ideal solution (RAD, flexibility, integration and all that), and provide support for alternatives (.NET, J2EE, PHP, etc.)
Ray Buechler

Ray Buechler wrote on 10/11/07 8:56 AM

Not only does the marketing need to be better but I also feel that Adobe needs to provide more articles and tutorials about using ColdFusion with Flex. It would really be great to have a book devoted to developing Flex apps with ColdFusion.
Randy Nielsen

Randy Nielsen wrote on 10/11/07 11:06 AM

A few quick comments/updates:
* Has anyone noticed that the PHP, ASP, Java links on the FB Start Page all go to the same place?
I'm considering removing the individual links entirely, at least for now (the Start Page is actually a
Flex app, and adding ColdFusion screws up the formatting). How does that sound? In any case, I may not get this done until Friday.
* There is a fair amount of Flex/ColdFusion information on the DevCenter: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/flex_cf.html
Randy Nielsen

Randy Nielsen wrote on 10/12/07 2:31 PM

OK. As a first step, I've updated the Welcome page on the Flex Getting Started Experience wiki. I took out the app-server-specific links since they were all going to the same page anyway.

So please check out http://learn.adobe.com/wiki/display/Flex/Getting+Started and let me know what you think. If I don't hear any strong objections, I'll then update the file that populates the Flex Builder Start Page.

Thanks!
Randy
Sean Corfield

Sean Corfield wrote on 10/13/07 2:11 AM

Thanx Randy! That will certainly upset fewer people :)
Mike

Mike wrote on 09/29/08 2:10 AM

There was definitely a sense from the audience that CF needs to be represented on that splash screen regardless.
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