Aug 4 2008

OT: What political leader said...

Posted by Joe Rinehart at 9:02 PM
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I didn't think I'd ever do this, but I've pulled the content of this post. I wasn't able to phrase it in the way I intended - as a reminder to maintain critical thought during election time. Instead, it almost came across as a weird comparison between Barack Obama and one of the more heinous leaders in human history, a distortion that I'll choose not to propagate.

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marc

marc wrote on 08/04/08 10:13 PM

c'mon, joe. You're better than that. You know that those quotes were cobbled together to evoke precisely the reaction you had.

trying to tie obama to hitler is pretty fucking sick. it'd be equally sick if someone did the same thing to mccain's policies.

my response when reading your post, if i were asked "who said this?", was "some f**kface who wanted me to say [insert politician here] but would pull out some historical tyrant".

it's cheap, it's typical, it's designed to manipulate, and it's beneath smart, informed people. I hope dumb shit like this isn't putting you in you rock-and-a-hard-place mentality, because shit like this is the equivalent of political v1agrA spam.
Brian Rinaldi

Brian Rinaldi wrote on 08/04/08 10:14 PM

Not sure how that means much. Those short phrases taken so completely out of context could be from any politician and its part of a coordinated smear campaign in my opinion (notice how many political sites/blog have comments with this?) .

My brother in law sent around another email equating Obama to Castro. So now he is apparently a communist and a fascist? No one really credits the wackos on the right-wing (who sadly McCain has been pandering more and more to and sounding more and more like) with much logic. To smear Obama as both a fascist and a communist takes such a frightening lack of historical understanding.

Anyway, I am not claiming you intended as much, but, please, don't by into a coordinated smear campaign which actually, it should be made clear, has no factual relevance to Obama's campaign platform.
Mike Rankin

Mike Rankin wrote on 08/04/08 11:31 PM

My first guess would have been Marx or Lennin. I've been following Barak Obama pretty closely (as much as I can stand), and I don't recall him saying anything quite as communist as those quotes. No matter how much they might want to, I doubt even the Democrats would put public interests AHEAD of personal interests. You'd have Rush Limbaugh peering under rocks looking for commies everywhere.

I live in Maryland, so Barak is pretty much a shoe-in in this state. I always look at my vote as a protest vote. In this case, Democrat and Republican are pretty much the same. They even went so far as to both change their opinion about off-shore drilling and releasing oil from the strategic reserve. So now they have both flip-flopped, but they still agree with each other, lol. So this year my protest vote is going to Bob Barr, who has seen the light regarding the role of government, the way we're taxed and personal privacy. He won't win, but I'm happy to throw my vote away from the established parties.
Joe Rinehart

Joe Rinehart wrote on 08/05/08 6:49 AM

Sorry guys - rereading this morning, this post just came out all wrong. I have to admit I was suckered in to what I was reading (it wasn't a chain e-mail, rather an article in a fairly respectable online magazine), and it was its a startling reminder to me to think instead of accept that I wanted to pass along.

However, I couldn't phrase it right, and I could see where Marc intepreted it as a "sick" comparison. My apologies, and I pulled the content.
Joe Rinehart

Joe Rinehart wrote on 08/05/08 7:02 AM

@Mike - Bob Barr will probably be my vote as well. I typically vote Libertarian, although here in NC it feels a bit like tossing my vote away. I've just spent a while reading Barr's web site, and his platform looks to be the best fit for me, from money policy to keeping laws out of marriage.
Scott Stroz

Scott Stroz wrote on 08/05/08 7:20 AM

Can someone please explain why, when a politician changes their mind on an issue, it's called 'flip-flopping' and it always has a negative connotation?

I mean, can it not be possible that a politician realizes that maybe their position on an issue is not accurate? Or maybe something else changed about the situation, or even the person.

It's like candidate A will try to lambaste cadidate B about an issue becasue they are on opposite sides. Then if candidate B basically says, "You kow what A, I have rethought this issue, and I think I am in agreement with you", candidate A will say he is flip flopping. I hate politics.
Joe Rinehart

Joe Rinehart wrote on 08/05/08 8:11 AM

Eh, Scott, I think it's just a cheap way to punch another person's credibility in the gut.

I'd like it if both camps would lay off of the whole "flip-flip" thing.

Fun quote from the Boston Globe:

"THERE IS no "straight talk." There isn't "a different kind of politics." There are just two men who really want to be president. In their zeal to win the White House, Barack Obama and John McCain already own enough flip-flops to hang out comfortably in Jimmy Buffett's "Margaritaville."

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